tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post5205088450763224897..comments2023-10-31T00:30:11.189+11:00Comments on The Bureau of Counterpropaganda: Who pays the piperErnie Halfdramhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06463362099448607727noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-17320052187832932052008-02-03T16:01:00.000+11:002008-02-03T16:01:00.000+11:00additiion:alike to Jews not wanting to openly disc...additiion:<BR/><BR/>alike to Jews not wanting to openly discuss anti-zionist sentiment (since we are not to ourselves do unto them that which we did not want to be done to us: of blaming the victim in a causal manner), so it is that my comments which might reflect badly upon other Muslims, ought not be taken lightly, and in fact could seldom be repeated.<BR/><BR/>The fundamental belief is not to tempt those we speak to in a negative way, to try to make any money out of the weaknesses of misuse of religious ideals.<BR/><BR/>(don't let me mention that Islam prophesies a big rock becoming the centre of Islamic prayer rather than Mecca, but while Aussies just accept that Uluru is a big scary rock, there are financial set ups that have been in place to try to convince native americans that the Grand Canyon will become a world power centre to their financial advantage. And that part about Chris Columbus and the tomatoes, can also be read to be about use of bush tucker medicines to finance Aboriginal health recovery, etc.)<BR/><BR/>have a look at the Al Tafsir website run by the Royal family in Jordan, where I was enabled to post my own English language intepretive analysis of Qur'an in respect of a few points such as:- many Muslims are now begun to realise that the prophesy is in evidence already here in Australia, even though us Aussies did not want it, and tried to say 'let it not be us please', those of us who knew, or learned of within witness. but those many enough whose interpretation is socialist, will not normally mention that fact because of the persecution involved, but also because the religion's teaching shows up who the bad guys are quite neatly within its belief regulation patterns.<BR/><BR/>Judaism must be the same, since Jews need not broach speaking against Zionism for many non-Jews to learn that most Jews are not supporters of Zionism.<BR/><BR/>(isn't Zion in Ethipia anyhow?)Rebekahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881359802517702387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-53941533166478785292008-02-03T15:49:00.000+11:002008-02-03T15:49:00.000+11:00Hi, (rebecca or becky is the real name but Rivaq/R...Hi, (rebecca or becky is the real name but Rivaq/Rabia, what ever, Curaezipirid seems to work in the internet)<BR/><BR/>I am interested in the information you are providing in this post, and good on the effort you are making to point out that Judaic interests are not defined by Capitalist interests.<BR/><BR/>I am a Muslim, a fairdinkum Aussie Mossie, in fact. Though more likely to go to Church with the Murris than to my local Mosque.<BR/><BR/>I have indigenous ancestry which is really quite remote, but equally remote is my own Judaic ancestry, and namesake in fact.<BR/><BR/>My perspective on the material you are publishing and the conclusions you are adept at drawing, is from within the perspective of religious belief, about how that belief has been ransacked, abused, and then used to abuse, for the sake of capitalist profits.<BR/><BR/>One of the more formidable concepts which is a part of the modern day Muslim mainstream, is that the individual personalities whose life stories we are taught of in advance, through prophesy, as those individuals whose work will engage many human beings in the "end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it" aka the end of the capitalist mode of production; are known in Islam as though different individuals to those taught of in the Judaic and Christian traditions.<BR/><BR/>Muslims wait upon (or beleive in the Iatollah Homeni's delusion of these things having already come to pass), a character named the Mahdi. But Christian prophesy says he will be a Jew, and so there are Muslims whom refuse to recognise that He may well be both Jew and Muslim, and Christians whom refuse to recognise that Jews can also become Muslims, etc, etc.<BR/><BR/>It is a set of delusional beliefs about how prophesies might be reveal, and also where the full realisation of prophesies might occur, in which one group is set up in false opposition to another group, so as to enable warfare in the name of religious belief. (as though George Bush can blame Mohammed and Jesus for his decision making: oh, and Ezra as well of course.)<BR/><BR/>The difficult fact about those sort of fallacies/delusions which mainstream religion engages in, is that they tend to prevent reasonably minded folk from availing ourselves of religious method. But that is a general part of the picture of why such things are set up. For example, the Freemasons, belong in a Masonic tradition which dates back to the end of the crusades, during which many European knights actually became Muslim, and were given Muslim brides. The pillaging of the Cathar community in Spain, which was an example of a religious community which had worked to reconcile all the Abrahamic religions, has been frequently used by Freemasons, as though to cover over what they are really about, by making it seem all too mysterious to want to know about.<BR/><BR/>Yet today many Freemasons believe in, and focus their efforts around, one very simple aspect of prophesy, about the return of King Solomon as the Mahdi, who will be noted for the smallness of his genitalia, apparently. However, it is also known among the adult male Aboriginal population, that Australan organised crime which has affiliations with corrupt police freemasons, have been attempting to find who he will be among the indigenous population, and have actually already been overtly persecuting men with smaller size genitals to impose upon them right wing politics.<BR/><BR/>Most of the men who know about it have been raped and are really very internally inhibited by fear from speaking about the matter. What is being done in the prisons specifically usually more brutally against men with smaller genitals, is quite horrific.<BR/><BR/>And all in the name of hoping to profit upon being first to detect the realisation of prophesy. I believe that those whom are familiar with Judaism in belief and in culture, and also socialist, regardless of what level of religious belief is being sustained today, may prove to have a strong role in the resolution of such terrible events as have been happening under the cover of branding politics and cultural alignments with criminality.<BR/><BR/>Instructively, the police tend to hold any person whom sustains both a religious belief perspective, and also Marxist belief, as though potentially harmful to general social co-hesion. That is evidenced in policing attitudes to the combination of Islam and Aboriginal belief (despite many indigenous Australians having converted to Islam 600 years ago, and that teaching still today beinga part of traditionally oriented men's initiations, but in silence normally).<BR/><BR/>It seems that those whom have been possessing power by money are becoming more and more afraid all the time that the prophesies might really be true (especially if their fortunes were built upon that assumption), and that they might also reallly be proving to be socialist. But the more afraid they become the nastier is the abuse being inflicted upon those without any money, but whom yet sustain therefore, a need to use Religion as their opiate.<BR/><BR/>There comes a point when we don't even need to believe in the prophesies our selves as socialists, to warrant some level of investigation into why the big capitalist investors count so much upon what/where/when prophesies will be realised:- yet also try to manipulate the outcomes in their own favour, as though there never really was any certainty in why and how they were investing.<BR/><BR/>The essence of the internal religious teaching is that the prophesies are taught to us, only so as if or when we find it happening to us, we know it wasn't our fault. But that neither makes it the prophet's fault, and in fact, the whole balance of why prophesies were ever possible, turns out to be about the nature of money:- in which the revelation of prophesy manifests that the folk whose fault it was going to prove to be all along, were those who tried to make a profit from it.<BR/><BR/>Religion is neat like that, and I reckon more socialists ought to become adept at religious methodology. (but dare not try to sell you the book I have written a first draft of about just that)<BR/><BR/>thanks for reading my post<BR/><BR/>alaykumuassalam rebecca copas nungarrayiRebekahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881359802517702387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-4271825919787935762008-01-01T19:08:00.000+11:002008-01-01T19:08:00.000+11:00Gostei muito desse post e seu blog é muito interes...Gostei muito desse post e seu blog é muito interessante, vou passar por aqui sempre =) Depois dá uma passada lá no meu site, que é sobre o <A HREF="http://www.provedorcrescenet.com" REL="nofollow">CresceNet</A>, espero que goste. O endereço dele é http://www.provedorcrescenet.com . Um abraço.<A HREF="8646678735" REL="nofollow"></A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-17439568347588288852008-01-01T13:21:00.000+11:002008-01-01T13:21:00.000+11:00Thanks, Edwin. Interesting points.Maybe I spend t...Thanks, Edwin. Interesting points.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I spend too much time with professional statisticians, but I always proceed on the assumption that the pollsters know what they’re doing, at least when it comes to choosing a sample. That their data is of sufficient use in marketting for them to stay in business suggests that they do. But there is no reason they can’t skew their samples to suit the perceived, or explicit, requirements of the client. It is probably fairly obvious what the AJC wants them to find. So I guess I’m probably being too naive.<BR/><BR/>In any case, as I mentioned, there is no way that the sampling frame can be an exhaustive list of all Jews in the US. Apart from anything else, we don’t even know how they defined ‘Jew’. This is only an issue if there is reason to believe that there is some systematic difference between those in and out of the frame. It is pretty unlikely that they are relying on Jewish organisations for lists of names, as only 50% said they were members of ‘a synagogue or temple’. Nor is it likely that they select random Jewish names from the phone book. What they actually claim is, ‘The sample consisted of 1,000 self-identifying Jewish respondents selected from the Synovate consumer mail panel. The respondents are demographically representative of the United States adult Jewish population on a variety of measures.’ As I read it, this means that Synovate maintains a list of willing respondents and select a subset of those on the list who have identified as Jewish. If so, there would certainly be an element of bias, as it is intuitively likely that the population that agrees to participate in a survey would have different opinions from those who refuse. Indeed, refusals are always an issue for this very reason. And since we can’t know the opinions of the refusers, we can never be certain whether they would significantly alter distributions within the population as a whole. But that’s an issue with every survey, even when responding is compulsory. They will have other information about the age, sex, etc. of panel members, allowing them to stratify the sample by relevant demographic factors, as I think I discussed in the post. Otherwise, they couldn’t assert that the respondents are ‘demographically representative’.<BR/><BR/>The only Jewish community I am part of is a handful of antizionist bloggers. My family has an understanding that I am not to raise the issue and it’s very rare that anyone makes the mistake of bringing it up with me. Anecdotal, but it suggests a low tolerance for antizionist views. In discussion of antizionism and antisemitism, challenging Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state is often presented as beyond the pale, as exceeding ‘legitimate criticism’ of Israel, as unequivocal evidence of antisemitism. I think that, and particularly that so transparently bogus a link does not raise audible objection, also suggests intolerance. Impressionisticly, I can imagine ordinary Jews who haven’t subjected the issues to much scrutiny regarding antizionism as abominable, perhaps ‘absolute evil’.<BR/><BR/>Zionism is such a putrid morrass of racism, tribalism, ethnocentrisim, chauvinism, nationalism, etc. that it’s hard to think of any of it as other than right wing. But I gather you mean the mob that used to be called Revisionists. My understanding is that their position is that there should be a one state solution with all Arabs removed from the area of Mandatory Palestine. Jabotinsky, the seminal figure in the Revisionist movement, was quite clear that the Arabs had been living in Palestine for a long time and regarded it as theirs. He understood that they would not relinquish it voluntarily, as many of the Labour Zionists and others in the cuddlier wings of Zionism seemed to believe. Benny Morris has been articulating this kind of view in recent years. I find their honesty refreshing, if nauseating. But I don’t know how they feel about Jewish antizionists.Ernie Halfdramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06463362099448607727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-54074610335389161072008-01-01T06:42:00.000+11:002008-01-01T06:42:00.000+11:00Wonderful post.A couple of thoughts:1. I am trying...Wonderful post.<BR/><BR/>A couple of thoughts:<BR/><BR/>1. I am trying to figure out how someone like myself could be randomly selected to answer questions. This is the only way I can think that it could occur: Looking up last names from those Jews who died in the holocaust and randomly phoning those last names in the phone book. They could also have people who try to survey attendees at funerals. Other than that I think I am completely invisible to such a survey. No Jewish organization has my name. <BR/><BR/>In particular, I suspect that the less someone supports Israel, the more likely they will be difficult to find in a random survey. I would expect systematic right wing bias within any such survey. From the results of the survey I would have to guess that the bias wouldn't be that large.<BR/><BR/>2. I wonder just how much tolerance there is within the Jewish community for different points of view. Are anti-Zionists the absolute evil - or is this a point of view that is considered acceptable? What about the right wing of the Zionist movmenet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-45716117458556988372007-12-31T21:21:00.000+11:002007-12-31T21:21:00.000+11:00It's usually me who people have to put up with...-...<I>It's usually me who people have to put up with...</I><BR/>- Not at all Ernie mate,<BR/>I consider yourself one of the brighter sparks of the internet.<BR/><BR/>Just to prove it - I visit your blog on a very regular basis mate - just checkout the regularity of my visits, now you have my IP address (or whatever it is).<BR/><BR/>Keep up the great work!<BR/><BR/>Happy Hogmanay! <BR/>(Scottish for the 31st of December - we give Scots ourselves 2 bank holdiays, 1st and 2nd of January, to recover from tonights excesses - altho some of have been known to go on benders etc)joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-79393739654591123842007-12-31T09:39:00.000+11:002007-12-31T09:39:00.000+11:00"...the population who prefer open borders and the..."...the population who prefer open borders and the free movement of labour."<BR/><BR/>Yes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-87347931773798637562007-12-31T09:17:00.000+11:002007-12-31T09:17:00.000+11:00Welcome back, Mae.I think you will find that most ...Welcome back, Mae.<BR/><BR/>I think you will find that most opinion polls in the US use a sample of about 1000 and claim a margin of error of three percentage points. All it really means for practical purposes is that small differences among estimates and small movements over time may not necessarily be meaningful and ought to be treated with caution.<BR/><BR/>One of the problems with an online poll is that the respondents select themselves without regard to which sector of the population they belong to. Since the only respondents are those who are motivated to participate in the poll, usually ideologically, the sample is already biased. But the reason these small samples they use in the opinion polls can achieve the accuracy they do is that they ‘stratify’ their samples carefully. Since the designers of the poll assume that people who have certain common characteristics, like, age, sex, and geographical location, will also have similar opinions, they include numbers in the sample proportional to the numbers in the population at large. In some cases, it may be necessary to ‘oversample’ rare populations to achieve sufficiently robust estimates, but I doubt that would apply in a survey sampling less than 1/50 of a percent of the relevant population. Since the AJC and Synovate sites are silent on this aspect of methodology, I can only guess how they did their stratification. But they may have selected samples proportional to the numbers residing in NY, CA, FL, and elsewhere, then further stratified proportional to the numbers of men and women in each region, then in age groups. So, for example, if there are 6 million Jews living in the US and 600,000 of them are men aged 25-39 in NY, then 10% of the sample – 100 persons in this case – would be selected from that population, and so forth. I hasten to add that the ‘sample frame’ will not comprise all Jews living in the US, but only those known as Jews to Synovate. It would also exclude those without a landline. There has been some research into the impact of excluding those who only use cellphones and it seems that the difference is within the margin of error for polls like this. I expect the difference to increase over time and sooner or later the pollsters will have to start including cellphones in their sample frames. To cut to the chase, an online poll would be even less reliable than the AJC poll. There would be no way to quantify the level of confidence and all it would tell you is what the respondents themselves thought – there would be no basis for extrapolating it to any population as a whole.<BR/><BR/>I’m not sure what Joe said that you agree with. I suppose it’s something he left in a comment over on JsF? Anyway, I’m beginning to get the impression from our discussion there that I’m not expressing myself as clearly as I aspire to.<BR/><BR/>That kitten site has some cute photos that the contributors or site owners or somebody thought they could make cuter by adding some verbiage in what they imagine a cat would speak like. That’s how I read it, anyway. The wording doesn’t appear on the face of it to display the kind of consistency an ordinary natural language tends to. For example, in ‘Is mah brutha from anotha motha’, the mid central vowel typically represented phonetically with the character ‘schwa’ is represented by ‘u’, ‘o’, and ‘a’. There does seem to be a degree of consistency in spelling ‘the’ as ‘da’ or ‘teh’ and using SMSese here and there. Grammatically, there is a tendency, not a consistent one, to substitute plurals for singulars, and a more consistent one to use the third person singular form of a present tense verb for all persons – ‘I has claws, you is naked’... I doubt if there would be much point in doing the analysis that might illuminate whether the corpus displays ‘any classical linguistic traits’, but by all means, let me know what you discover.Ernie Halfdramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06463362099448607727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-21904508289113494102007-12-31T08:20:00.000+11:002007-12-31T08:20:00.000+11:00Thanks for the info about the 3% points. What abou...Thanks for the info about the 3% points. What about creating a poll on line with the questions you articulate? <BR/><BR/>I agree with Joe to a great extent, but don't have an organized base of resources on which to build a reply with any speed. There's the drawback to depending on the library for one's reading. <BR/><BR/>Ernie, there is a new form of the English language being used here: http://tinyurl.com/2kcq53<BR/>I'm wondering if there are any classical linguistic traits demonstrated in it's development?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-50720769110983266722007-12-30T17:17:00.000+11:002007-12-30T17:17:00.000+11:00Well, welcome, Joe. It's usually me who people ha...Well, welcome, Joe. It's usually me who people have to put up with, so I don't know what you're on about.Ernie Halfdramhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06463362099448607727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5873160920540394292.post-9197262716453223192007-12-29T23:57:00.000+11:002007-12-29T23:57:00.000+11:00Hi Ernie,just wanted to thank you for putting up w...Hi Ernie,<BR/>just wanted to thank you for putting up with me over at Mark Elf's JSF blog.<BR/><BR/>I also just wanted to say hello!<BR/><BR/>all the best!joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.com